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Killing for no reason – are vegetarians wrong?

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To take a life in a premeditated manner is murder. To kill an animal for its meat is murder. My road to that conclusion, and therefore not eating meat, was a long one.

In my younger days I ate a lot of it. I mean a real lot. Steaks, burgers, bacon, chicken, turkey, duck, even kangaroo. You name it, I probably tried it at least once. I even went ‘carnivore’ just to see if could. And yep I survived off eggs, meat and cheese for a week (although I didn’t feel great, I have to admit).

I loved the taste of it, I loved that it was so easy to make great meals even ‘better’ by throwing in a bit of fried meat. I also loved that by looking around, meat could be pretty cheap. 20 sausages for £2? Yes please!

Funny enough, it was actually the price that got me thinking about the process of animal to plate. Not long after I first moved to Germany I wanted a chicken to make a roast, and headed to the supermarket. I was pretty skint (didn’t have much money) at the time, but I found a frozen one for €2.49. €2.49! Wow, what a price, younger me thought. Bargain.

Who pays the price?

On the way home, I started to think about the route of the (measly) money involved. I figured the supermarket was making a profit, as was the farmer, and probably a supplier too. The chicken needed feeding, and a place to live. Then there was the transport and storing costs as well.

I started to realise the awful, sickening conditions that the chicken must have been kept in for everyone to make a profit, at his expense. And at the end of his misery? Freedom? Certainly not.

I still ate the poor little guy, but he was the one that lit the fuse. We’re going back a good few years now, and this was when I was in my early-mid twenties. My thought process then moved to something along the lines of ‘I can’t believe we’d do this to any living being, let alone young ones’. From that day forward I cut out meat from all animals I considered babies – mostly lamb and calf.

It wasn’t until a few years later I learnt most chickens are slaughtered by about seven weeks old – that was enough to cut chicken out too. The rest all followed pretty quickly, with bacon being the very last meat I cut out.

We only have one

And I came to a conclusion. Life is sacred. We each only have one. Who are we to take it away from others?

Let me be clear here – when I say life, I mean sentient life. A blade of grass doesn’t concern me unduly. An animal that breathes and thinks, that feels fear, pain and joy, is what concerns me.

I thought that then, and I still think it now. Why should I kill for something I don’t need? Ahhhh – that’s right, I said need.

Although I rarely press my reasons for not eating meat onto others unless asked (today is a BIG exception), many people feel the need to tell me why I’m wrong being a vegetarian, whether I ask for it or not.

Needs or wants?

I’ve been told a million times that vegetarianism is wrong and we need meat. I’ve heard the stories about how we evolved much quicker after eating red meat, and heard plenty of warnings of what’ll happen to me if I don’t get enough protein (i.e I’ll snuff it pretty quickly). That’s all well and good, I won’t argue we didn’t evolve quicker, scientists much cleverer than myself have proved it probably was so. I also agree protein is essential.

But why do we need meat now? I’m not disputing that meat contains some incredibly important nutrients, ones we couldn’t survive without. But these nutrients can all be found elsewhere – whether they be plant based or eggs and dairy. So, if I can get everything I need from other sources and thrive and survive, why do I need to kill? I don’t. Surely then, eating meat is purely for enjoyment (and I really did enjoy it, once upon a time). But now – murder for my enjoyment? Nahhh… I’m fine thanks.

Since those early days, my opinions have somewhat hardened and been confirmed. My body is fit and strong, I’m not endangering myself or anyone else by not eating meat. Therefore I feel conviction in my choice that I don’t need death on my hands.

To conclude

So, to sum up MY views on not eating meat. I don’t need meat to survive. Taking life from a sentient being is murder, and the consumption of meat by me is purely for my enjoyment as it is not a necessity. Death for enjoyment is not a fair trade. Therefore, to be a vegetarian is not ‘wrong’, as some insist.

These are MY personal reasons for not eating meat. Feel free to discuss these with me – I’m open to hearing all views, of course.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR – DAVEKilling for no reason - are vegetarians wrong? |

I don’t believe animals need to be killed for my enjoyment. Although I was once a big meat eater I changed to a vegetarian diet several years ago and haven’t looked back. A purely plant-based diet is my next stop.



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  1. My reasons for giving up meat were broadly the same as yours Dave. As well as not being comfortable eating meat, I never really liked it either so just thought we’ll stop eating it then.
    People ask me about it or judge me same as you & I also find it hard to explain not being vegan (though 90% of my diet is) and the fact I will eat fish at a push sometimes when vegi isn’t easy to find.
    For me, animals welfare & farming are the big issue and if meat was prized & valued as a treat, as a small part of a mostly plant based diet, it would mean that farmers were paid fairly and could ensure animals lived good lives. The world would be a better & healthier place & it would be better for the environment too.
    That said, I know I am not doing all I can as I do own leather goods, so I can’t be sanctimonious. I don’t try to stop anyone else eating meat & I do buy it for my husband who is not vegi.
    Like all things in life, there are no definite answers & to eat meat or not is a personal choice which I made 37 years ago for my own motivations but don’t expect everyone to follow. You are doing your bit to make the world better, carry on the good work & remember, everyone is an armchair critic, just do your thing! Good luck & all the best.

    1. Hi Amanda, and thanks for writing! I’m right with you there, some very good points and my idealogy follows along the same lines. I did stop buying leather a couple of years ago – but I still wear my leather jacket now and then. There’s no way it’s going in the bin, I’d rather make full use of it – that saves me buying anything else in its place. Absolutely, there are no definite answers. Thanks again Amanda, take care!

  2. Yes, you are not doing enough, barely anything by just being vegetarian. You ARE contributing to the murder of non-humyn people, just not as fast and with more suffering than if you were consuming “meat”. You don’t need ANY “animal” products to survive.

    1. Thanks for your opinion J. I love to hear a good, staunch, ‘I’m right and you’re wrong with no middle ground’ point of view. Unfortunately we all leave some sort of footprint whether we want to or not. Whether it’s using wood or paper from dessicated forests or overused farmland that displaces entire species, everything has an effect. My opinion (and that’s all it is, an opinion) is that every small thing that we do to help, helps. If we were to support and encourage each other for the things we do, instead of berate and judge, then as a race, we would do much better. But hey, that’s just my opinion, right? Oh and yeah, we do – B12. If we don’t get B12, we die (or go crazy).

  3. Dear Dave, thank you for your article. I am 70 years old and have been vegetarian since 1973, except for a few short sojourns in places/situations where nothing else but meat/fish was available. I’m from Ireland, not really known for it’s vegetarianism 🙂 and over the years, I heard all of the arguments: you need the protein, the iron, basically we are carnivores by nature etc., etc. But somehow I’ve made it to this age, live a very active life and recently recovered from a serious illness mostly with the help of a heathy vegetarian diet.

    I teach vegetarian cooking but don’t see it as my place to be a missionary – all one can do is to put it out there, show the delicious, humane and healthy alternatives (this site is a great source!) and leave each person to decide for themselves. In my rather long life, I have been confronted with various differing philosophies, be they dietary or spiritual (what? you don’t eat raw food? What? You don’t believe that this/that spiritual path is the only way to salvation?) and have become more and more convinced that “live and let live” is the only way forward. No-one will be convinced by an aggressive argument – you can just invite people to dinner in a comfortable, non-confrontational situation and sit them down to a meal (be it vegetarian or vegan or whatever) that will whet their appetites for more.

    An increasing number of people are thinking about the implications of being carnivorous and doing their best to find an alternative (I see it more and more in my classes) so I think whatever our own personal views are, we should just cut them some slack – I adhere to the Indian lacto-vegetarian path, supporting local organic dairies for my dairy products and I will never be vegan. I have my own opinions about that but they are my opinions and I respect anyone who decides on that diet, incorporating vegan dishes into my classes as well.

    So to cut short this rather long-winded message: be tolerant, respect others no matter how they feed themselves (hey, some of my best friends – and my family – are meat eaters!) and be sneaky: a delicious vegetarian/vegan meal will go a lot further than pushing your own opinions down their throats (now there’s a nice simile 🙂 )

    Dave, thank you, Hauke & your team for the great site!

    1. Hi Valeria, wow. Thank you for the comment and insight. You’re absolutely right, a little tolerance and respect goes a long way! I also agree, aggressive arguments and similies 🙂 often have the opposite effect of what people want, and undermine the cause, well-intentioned or not. I’m glad to hear you’ve recovered well – and that our site has been a help to you food-wise. It makes it all worthwhile! Take care, Valerie!

  4. I couldn’t find the way to edit my comment so here is the edited comment:
    I think everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their diet and their life. You shouldn’t have to listen to people judging you because you do or don’t eat meat. It is none of their business and they should respect your choice. They should help all the people starving out there instead of calling other people murderers because they eat meat. Since social media became the boom everyone think they can say whatever they want and judge as they please. That is so wrong! Leave people alone and worry about your own life because if you are calling people names because of what they eat you are not a nice person.

    1. Thank you for writing, Maria! You’re right, social media has had huge impacts, one way or the other. And there’s so much hate out there on it 🙁

      I also agree – a little help could go a long way. Although my main (and not so secret) aim is to ultimately inspire people to eat less meat, there are no judgements from me. As Valerie has said above – we can put it out there and let people make up their own minds 🙂

  5. If you really think about these thinks you should consider going vegan. I mean going vegetarian is a big step and I appriciate it but you do not stop the murder by going vegetarian.

    1. Hi Christine, and thanks for writing. I am indeed considering it 🙂

      Could you please elaborate on your final point? I would like to hear more. Thanks!

      1. The dairy industry, for example… Cows are raped (or rather, impregnated by artificial insemination) every year to force them to continue producing milk. Their calves are torn away from their mothers, causing extreme distress. Male calves are destined to be murdered for beef, while the females will share their mother’s fate. A cow’s natural lifespan is about 20 years, but cows used by the dairy industry are typically killed after about five years because their bodies wear out from constantly being pregnant or lactating.

  6. Great post! I became vegetarian for pretty much the same reasons as you. The next stop for me is veganism! I try to keep to a vegan diet as much as I can, but it is so difficult in this crazy crazy world full of animal products ;-;

    1. Thank you P. Yes, in my opinion, to be vegan is a huge undertaking in today’s society (many will disagree with me of course), but every step we make is one that helps. You’re right, the dairy industry is awful, and we need to be aware of this. Many aren’t, surprsingly, so spreading the word just a little is definitely another way to help too. Thanks for your comment!

  7. Just found your website by chance ….. oh yes, salads in a jar it was!
    Absolutely love it!! Will be introducing it to my lovely hubbie to help him out as he gets very confused with recipes and cooking and your menu’s look amazing!

    My journey began approx 20 years ago when I was getting severe chest pains and it seemed to be after we had eaten steak for dinner, I cut that from my diet and instant change! Next was bacon, this was our amazing Sunday morning bacon and egg breakies on the beach and noticed I felt squirmy all morning afterwards.
    Away with bacon.
    I decided to drop all meat and became part vegetarian. (Still loved seafood!) it was not an easy choice to make being vegetarian as I grew up on a dairy and my father was a butcher, 2 brothers meat inspectors and killing animals to eat was a natural part of our lives. As a child I never did like seeing animals slaughtered to eat but always thought it was meant to be and did not know anything about vegetarianism at all. I remember when I first left home as a teenager and moved to the city to live, I loved nothing better than a plate a fried zucchini for dinner!

    Even though I thought I ate well, walked every morning, drank my fresh lemon,ginger,honey and turmeric each morning, I still carried that bloated stomach feeling and could not drop the extra weight I was carrying so in December 2016 I made the decision to do a ‘6 week no wheat’ and to see how I would feel with no gluten.
    What an incredible change I felt! Within a couple of weeks I could not believe the difference!

    I then stumbled across dr Colin T Campbell and ‘the china study’ and the bells went off! We actually don’t need all of that protein the media has been telling us?! No dairy, no wheat and simply Plant based foods was all we need?! I finally felt the biggest relief and at ease with my foods! I’m in love with food! Healthy, delicious plant based foods only and no animals need to be slaughtered on my account!

    It’s been just on 7 months now and my weight does not juggle, it has plateaued and I feel fantastic! I have not had a headache, had one day of sickness since I began this so something must be working!

    If there is someway my story can help even one other person to make a change in their eating habits for good health, this will be worth it!
    Sorry about the long winded comment!

    1. Oh wow, thank you for sharing your story, Nicole! I’ve no doubt many people can take inspiration from it. There are so many reasons for quitting meat, and you’ve added many more good ones. I’m really glad to hear the whole experience has made you feel so much better – long may it continue! Thanks again 🙂

  8. Sensationalism much?
    Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one HUMAN BEING by another.
    you could still get your opinion across without the (incorrect) use of inflammatory words such as this.

    1. Dammit, you’re totally right Lenae, thanks! Just the other day a mate told me he used to get away with murder in his old job, and I called him a sensationalist bastard. Now I see the irony. Cheers!

  9. If everyone had to spend 1 hour in an abattoir I reckon they would be influenced to think again. If they went to farms and saw the intensively reared animals having a miserable existence they would be educated that meat does not grow in plastic shrink wrap in nice little chunks. We have become so far removed from the reality of meat production that the animal on your plate might as well have come from another planet.
    I gave up eating animals after I took in 10 saved from slaughter hens who arrived in a pitiful state but they blossomed and thrived and showed me they have feelings – they feel pain fear hunger. They are intelligent can recognise up to 50 different faces, they know which cat might chase them; they protect their chicks even from Red Kites. What right have I to eat them when with my ‘superior ‘ intelligence I can feed myself with alternatives

    1. I’m with you there, Barb. That’s exactly it – we rarely think how the food arrives on the plate, and as you say, it doesn’t grow in shrink wraps, as much as people would like it too. Maybe it will grow in a lab one day and require no animal pain or death, but for now that’s just not the case. That’s awesome to hear about the hens – and the eggs must be great! I have zero problems with ‘farmed’ animals when it’s a symbiotic relationship, which it sounds like it is with yours 🙂

  10. Wow…my “awakening “ is almost exactly the same. Went shopping for Xmas turkey and while looking for the best deal saw the Utility Turkeys with a sign reading “parts may be missing “. My Xmas dinner was minus turkey that year and no meat since… 7 years and counting. I’m not open to discussion about my diet. So many people that feel the need to discuss vegetarian or vegan make ridiculous arguments and refuse to listen. I don’t care about their opinions

    1. Agreed! Your decision, your choice. I do leave it open to debate with various friends and family (as I secretly hope to change them too 😉 ) but I can see why it would get very tiring after a time. Thanks for posting, Debbie!

  11. Wow, I love your positive and accepting responses to the comments posted, even the inflammatory ones. I will also apologize, in advance, for my lengthy response.

    While I am not vegan or vegetarian, over the past decade I have been cutting out animal proteins to improve my health, although I still succumb to bacon on occasion. I disagree that the issue is ignorance on the part of the general public. It’s denial. People know that the conditions are horrible, but they don’t want to think about it, so they just bury their head in the sand and continue on with their day.

    I also disagree that taking the life of an animal for food consumption is murder, but I wholeheartedly agree that large-scale farming conditions are execrable and inexcusable, and don’t get me started on kosher practices. You can’t go to school with a bunch of aggro students at uni and not be horrified by the typical farming and slaughtering practices.

    I do think that small-scale farming, or even the relatively recent practice of community organic farms allow for the treatment that the animals deserve, and forces a certain awareness and respect for the animals under their care. It’s so much harder to bury your head in the sand when you’re face-to-face with your next meal.

    It might not seem like it, but I’m a tender-hearted person, and the conditions those poor animals face truly sickens and saddens me. I wish I could effect changes on a global scale, but I cannot. I can only control my sphere, and so the choices I make support my convictions.

    Thank you so much for sharing your view. Now to check out your recipes so I can continue on my journey (and hopefully drag my hubby along too)!

    1. Hi Steph! And thanks for your writing, support and disagreement too 🙂

      Absolutely, large scale farming has got way out of hand! It’s really quite sickening. I don’t know if you saw it yet but Hauke wrote an article on large scale pig farming ( that puts it into perspective – it’s really quite scary!

      One thing I’d disagree with you about is that you cannot effect things on a global scale – I think we all can, and do. If we all make tiny steps, no matter how small, eventually there will be enough to make a change. At least that’s what I tell myself, and will keep pushing for everyday! Have a good one, Steph!

  12. Just want to say I don’t normally post on sites so this is the first.

    I enjoyed reading your post and it was refreshing to find one that doesn’t push being veggie down your throat, even though you are telling us your thoughts.
    The whole vegetarian issue has come up in our household the last few weeks so we are finding our feet in the new world of even more veg!
    I do eat meat (not much to be honest.. chicken and beef) but at the moment it’s mostly because I have small ones that right now don’t too much like lots of veg and I find the benefits of meat very important in a child’s diet, and I wish that the meat was available in a manner that isn’t as cruel. Though I enjoy veg my lil ones right now aren’t too much of big fans.

    We have a friend who at any chance will push the meat is murder and the rest of the quotes onto you and I find it disrespectful because at the end of the day it’s everyones own choice. To be informed rather than feeling belittled would go much further 🙂

    I liked to hear you agree to the fact that humans evolved as they did because of their diet.. they were after all carnivores. I think if you go down that road you’ll find that we are ‘designed’ to eat meat.
    We are top of the food chain (with the dinos gone) and for a long time it is what people know and nothing is going to change overnight.

    Anyway. I’ve only looked at one recipe and will be cooking that, they all look great. I enjoy the freshness of veg and would like to eat more of it and always looking for new recipes. Though cutting meat completely out of my diet probably won’t be happening.
    Thanks for putting together a great site full of tasty looking and sounding dishes.. nice to find one 🙂

    Best to you all in DE!

    1. Hey HHLass, and same to you from Hamburg and Berlin! Edit: just seen you’re a HHLass! Been in Hamburg long?

      Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed the article – and I’m glad it felt like I was giving my views without enforcing/judging, that is indeed my plan. We found through experience (not just our own, but by watching and listening to others) that the kind of ‘militant’ views don’t really help in the long-term. Of course we understand why people feel like that, but humans generally don’t like to be bullied into new beliefs (unless they have no choice). We hope that we can show a bit of what is happening out there, and let people come to their own decisions. We also want to take away the fear of not eating meat – many people seem to think they automatically lack protein and nutrients instantly after giving up meat – definitely not the case (when done right!).

      Thanks again for writing, enjoy the recipes! LG 🙂

  13. Thanks for replying! Yes 9 years this year.
    Still looking for a decent asian/Indian food shop. Any tips ?!
    We’ve maybe had 1 dish in the last 2 weeks that had meat in. I’m trying my best to do veg ones that the kiddies eat!

    Any plans on making an iPhone app too for your recipes?


    1. Oh, a while then! Same here 🙂

      The little Indian one I go to in Harburg is great, I’m not sure if you’re anywhere near there. Otherwise, there are a couple of huuuuuge Asian shops in Wandsbek that stock just about everything. Well, one meal in two weeks sounds like you’re nailing it. Our kids love the mug cakes, maybe they would do the trick, too.

      Yes, we have plans for the iOS app – it’s just taking a little longer than expected! At the moment it’s Android only – but hopefully soon.


  14. He Dave and everyone else too. I noticed the last post was from 2017. Is anyone still reading and interested? My daughter is a vet student set to graduate May 2020. It has been a looooong 9 years of education and work for her and her life’s dream. I have supported her and learned SOOO much from her. She educated me many years ago about the animal/dairy industry and the earths natural inability to sustain the industry if it continues as is. I changed my eating habits after watching Cowspiracy and a short clip on what they do to baby chicks. I simply could not put the flesh of a dead animal in my mouth and swallow. I admit at times it’s still difficult when I smell a good steak on the grill or bacon cooking on a Sunday morning but the trade off is so much more satisfying – at least for me. I need to do more to change the dairy I consume (cottage cheese and sour cream) as dairy is actually not good for the body. COW milk is for baby cows not humans! Long and short, again for me, is that life can survive and thrive without meat and dairy. It is being proven over and over and over by science and humans to be TRUE. I have helped others change their beliefs by simply saying “if it had a central nervous system and had to die for me to eat it – no thanks”.

    1. Hi Susan, thanks for writing! Well, we’re still going strong and people are still making our veggie recipes so I hope that’s a very good sign! Awesome about your daughter – I hope the final few months go well! I agree – the trade off for not eating meat is well worth it. Yes lowering dairy is also a very good shout, something we’re also working consciously on right now. Good to hear from you!

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